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	<title>Comments on: Ignoring the Obvious in the Great Commission: Who&#8217;s going, and who are they going to?</title>
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		<title>By: Evangelicalism&#8217;s (Self-)Terminal Generation: Preaching to Those Who First Spring From the Womb &#171; Lawn Gospel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evangelicalism&#8217;s (Self-)Terminal Generation: Preaching to Those Who First Spring From the Womb &#171; Lawn Gospel</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] for granted. We readily confess we&#8217;re called to preach the Word, but we quickly forget that only those who are born can hear it, and only those who are born can preach it! We call on the Church to defend the Truth, and yet we overlook the fact that the Church is made up [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] for granted. We readily confess we&#8217;re called to preach the Word, but we quickly forget that only those who are born can hear it, and only those who are born can preach it! We call on the Church to defend the Truth, and yet we overlook the fact that the Church is made up [...]</p>
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		<title>By: brotherhank</title>
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		<dc:creator>brotherhank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 20:30:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brandon -

You&#039;ll find no disagreement here! In the same way that Romans 9 highlights that the true Israel was never just the physical Israel, the Church is not made by physical procreation alone (although it is no less than that). 

Secondly (without attempting to wax eloquent, for it would be a poor attempt), the issue of childbirth is a pretty interesting thematic presence in Scripture. I&#039;m not sure what to make of it yet, but is it not challenging for us to consider the mode of the Savior&#039;s entrance into the world, through none other than childbirth? The very &lt;i&gt;protoevangelium&lt;/i&gt; consists of what? Yep, a promise of the birth a child that would crush the serpent&#039;s head (Gen 3:15). Clearly, the &quot;birth&quot; is not the ultimate accomplishment of this promised Seed. The fact that he &quot;would crush the serpent&#039;s head&quot; is what gives us the meat of our Hope. That is the foundation of the Gospel. However, (and this is the driving point of this post) it is by means of this birth that God brings us the ends of the gospel. If Christ were not born as the God-Man, we would have no hope. In a related manner (though understandably distinct), if we were not born as men, we would have no hope of salvation - (of course!) because we would not exist. 

As you&#039;ve reminded me often, &quot;God uses means&quot;. And I agree. However, I feel burdened to remind the Church that the &lt;i&gt;means&lt;/i&gt; which God uses to set our feet on this earth and (following conversion, death, and resurrection) in Glory, is by physical birth. The same was true for us, our parents, and our children.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brandon -</p>
<p>You&#8217;ll find no disagreement here! In the same way that Romans 9 highlights that the true Israel was never just the physical Israel, the Church is not made by physical procreation alone (although it is no less than that). </p>
<p>Secondly (without attempting to wax eloquent, for it would be a poor attempt), the issue of childbirth is a pretty interesting thematic presence in Scripture. I&#8217;m not sure what to make of it yet, but is it not challenging for us to consider the mode of the Savior&#8217;s entrance into the world, through none other than childbirth? The very <i>protoevangelium</i> consists of what? Yep, a promise of the birth a child that would crush the serpent&#8217;s head (Gen 3:15). Clearly, the &#8220;birth&#8221; is not the ultimate accomplishment of this promised Seed. The fact that he &#8220;would crush the serpent&#8217;s head&#8221; is what gives us the meat of our Hope. That is the foundation of the Gospel. However, (and this is the driving point of this post) it is by means of this birth that God brings us the ends of the gospel. If Christ were not born as the God-Man, we would have no hope. In a related manner (though understandably distinct), if we were not born as men, we would have no hope of salvation &#8211; (of course!) because we would not exist. </p>
<p>As you&#8217;ve reminded me often, &#8220;God uses means&#8221;. And I agree. However, I feel burdened to remind the Church that the <i>means</i> which God uses to set our feet on this earth and (following conversion, death, and resurrection) in Glory, is by physical birth. The same was true for us, our parents, and our children.</p>
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		<title>By: Brandon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brandon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 18:00:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t see how anyone could disagree that those referred to in the Great Commission are born from the wombs of women.  But hopefully people are not arguing that spiritual procreation replaces having babies; I don&#039;t see how that&#039;s tenable.

One argument that is clear, however, is that we should not put physical multiplication as the center of the spread of the gospel.  I don&#039;t think Paul could make the arguments he makes (don&#039;t get married if you are able to withhold; for him it&#039;s better not to be married) if childbearing is at the center.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t see how anyone could disagree that those referred to in the Great Commission are born from the wombs of women.  But hopefully people are not arguing that spiritual procreation replaces having babies; I don&#8217;t see how that&#8217;s tenable.</p>
<p>One argument that is clear, however, is that we should not put physical multiplication as the center of the spread of the gospel.  I don&#8217;t think Paul could make the arguments he makes (don&#8217;t get married if you are able to withhold; for him it&#8217;s better not to be married) if childbearing is at the center.</p>
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